White Paper Leak - short term small cuts, long term big prom
KEVIN Rudd wants Australia to be able to exercise more strategic weight in what promises to be a more volatile and dynamic Asia-Pacific region over the next generation. That means the new defence...
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Who ever wrote that "leak" piece obviously likes Rudd, as there is nothing really new or bold about the white paper. Most of it merely confirms the direction and planning of the previous government,...
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More info; http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25383010-601,00.html Of note is the "new generation warships and submarines equipped with cruise missiles". Sub launched Tomahawks maybe?...
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Gents - the hard news here is minor cost cutting on capital items, no fourth AWD, JSF held back a year, and 15 billion in "internal savings" over the next decade. The promises - 12 submarines, eight...
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NewGolconda wrote: Gents - the hard news here is minor cost cutting on capital items, no fourth AWD, JSF held back a year, and 15 billion in "internal savings" over the next decade. The promises - 12...
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Unfortunately, we appear to be in for an aspirational White Paper. Big ideas, all well into the future, and no funding. Indeed, funding cutbacks will downgrade our capabilities in the short term....
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Eight destroyers? They wouldn't be ANZAC replacements would they? if they are then they wont enter service until after 2020, most likely long after Rudd leaves office. And isnt "the biggest build up...
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How long Mr Rudd stays in office is anyone's guess. Mine is that it depends on economic conditions. 12 submarines does not so much unbalance the RAN as change its function. A major function of the...
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12 Collins would make an amphibious invasion in Australia's local-ish area impossible. You'd need the entire USN to deal with that, and even then they'd have fits.
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Some in the region are going to acquire a couple of submarines. A dozen would up the ante more than somewhat. A dozen submarines are a good way of combating a nation that owns a carrier or two. By the...
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Instead of 12 Collins why don't you buy 6 Astutes? Not as many in number but an excellent capability - and as I've said before the UK would probably love to sell Astute to Australia.
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And I know that there are plenty who would be very happy if we bought them. We have very fond memories of Oberons and the capability leap makes some of us drool. Personally I think that the Astute...
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I think the white paper will be a PR exercise, all this stuff is so far in the future, that there are likely to be more than one government involved in making it happen and it will all be paired back...
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WillR06 wrote: Instead of 12 Collins why don't you buy 6 Astutes? Not as many in number but an excellent capability - and as I've said before the UK would probably love to sell Astute to Australia....
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I would take the Gubler article with a very large grain of salt. He's got a few things right and a few things wrong, leading to incorrect conclusions.
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http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/7544?page=1
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Drunk - do you have fond memories of Oberons (grins)? Twelve boats is driven by the political/commercial consideration that it is the smallest build that makes any sense, otherwise ASC is just a dole...
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Astute comments on the strictly political exercise represented by this White Paper. Rudd can now wave it around as a symbol of the Governments concern for Australia without having to commit a cent for...
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Exactly that, This white paper will mean nother for the ADF, the only part of it that will come to fruition is that which is already in the pipeline.
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Going after an ARG in an Oberon was like clubbing baby seals. You just had to time your attack right because the green flares would interfere with flight ops. Of course, that's assuming we could...
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